Radiant heat – luxury or necessity.
Friday, September 11th, 2009Working through all the bids and negotiating with subs has certainly taken some time. On top of this, our checksheets from the City of Portland for Structural and Soils were fairly lengthy. The architectural set of drawings referred to the structural set in many cases. The structural set then referenced the Geotechnical Engineer’s report. The City didn’t like this at all. They wanted all the Geotechnical information shown in the drawing set. Their argument is they don’t think a sub contractor would look in a report. Maybe slightly picky, but makes sense. We ended up making a new set of ‘Geotechnical’ drawings to add into our overall set….should work. We’ll submit them next week and see what happens.
In the mean time, we’ve been looking into the multitude of heating and cooling options. To get into some basic costs, the Warmboard floor sheathing we have specified in the house runs $22,000 (typical plywood sheathing is $3,000). This price includes a ‘trade’ discount, which is nice. On top of this, we have a radiant system that will run $15,000 – $20,000 for pumps, tubes and manifolds, plus water heating equipment (boiler, tankless or tank heater) at another $2,000 – $6,000 depending on the equipment. On top of this, we have very minimal insulation bids at $25,000 for full perimeter 1 1/2″ flash and batt to $35,000 for 3″ flash and batt. Flash and batt refers to a ‘flash’ pass of spray foam, followed by a less expensive batt or blown in insulation for the remainder of the wall cavity. My theory has always been to spend your money on a tight, well insulated building envelope and spend less on smaller, more efficient HVAC equipment that will use less energy during the life of the building. Keep in mind, we are building 8″ thick walls and 12″ deep roof diaphragm that needs to be completely filled with insulation. I did stray from my theory towards a more expensive and luxurious heating system that may cost up to $48,000 to install. In addition, because you don’t turn a radiant system off, you’re wasting energy while you’re away from the house during the day. A humbling exercise. We have determined our radiant system to be a fantastically wonderful luxury.
At the moment, we are getting bids on three systems:
1. hydronic radiant heat with a gas fired AO Smith Vertex water heater and another for domestic water
2. Fujitsu mini split ductless heat pump for heat / cooling, Vertex water heater for domestic water
3. Fujitsu split ducted heat pump for heat / cooling, Vortex water heater for domestic water.
Why not a tankless water heater? With the addition of the ADU in the building, we have a potential of 3 showers and 2 dishwashers running at the same time. This load if fairly difficult for even the best tankless to keep up with. Using a dishwasher with an internal water heater can help, but three showers at once is still tough to manage. We’re working with EcoHeat on pricing. We’ve found them to be extremely professional, knowledgeable and competitively priced.
